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Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:20:00 -
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When I was watching that announcement at fanfest, where Mr. Fozzi was talking all that crap about how he wanted to make SBs more fun to fly and improve them and whatnot, I already said thats code for rendering them useless due to nulltears. I stopped putting bomber and blackops related skills in, unsubbed covops/blackops alts, awaiting the nerfbat.. So, it's not like I didn't see the nerf coming.
I gotta say, the extent to which this happens now, still surprises me. The effiency of nerfing every single aspect that made them work is almost German. This isnt a rebalance. This is making sure bombers are utterly useless and ineffective in pvp, especially fleet operations. This is eleminating one of the last remaining ways of asymmetrical warfare and at the same time dealing a maximum of collateral on the game experience of totally unrelated players (eg me - never isboxing, to start with). Good job in once again rigging the dice in favor of the winning party. It's one thing to HTFU and adapt to changing rules. It's a completely different thing to adapt to rules that are changed on demand of the other team. |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.18 11:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Byson1 wrote:is there any communication between the guys deciding to screw with mechanics?
Is there really a good reason this should even happen. or is it just to screw with people?
I think people working for ccp who play the game should not be allowed to make such decisions. I don't believe they are impartial. There needs to be an audit to see who these changes will help the most. Who in CCP? These changes will mean more ship comps will be viable again.
It's curing the disease by killing the patient. |
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Bombers are very much an issue now given that they have invalidated a large number of options in fleet setups and tactics. CCP changed cloaking to what we have today, it has caused issues, CCP are reverting it again. Now, players got along just fine before and they will get along just fine again. The only type of fleet this will heavily impact will be bomber fleets in large fleet fights. The bombers themselves will be a bit more sturdy and a good deal better at small gang/solo roaming after these changes.
"Goon Swarm Federation" - stopped reading there. Lobbyist blabla. |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.19 18:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Heinrich Rotwang wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Bombers are very much an issue now given that they have invalidated a large number of options in fleet setups and tactics. CCP changed cloaking to what we have today, it has caused issues, CCP are reverting it again. Now, players got along just fine before and they will get along just fine again. The only type of fleet this will heavily impact will be bomber fleets in large fleet fights. The bombers themselves will be a bit more sturdy and a good deal better at small gang/solo roaming after these changes.
"Goon Swarm Federation" - stopped reading there. Lobbyist blabla. We make heavy use of bombers in near every fight but hey, I guess you were also against the tech nerf too because its all a grroons plot.
Couldn't care less about tech. Thing is, you just got something nuked I care about. You win. I lose. And now you show up in the typical goon style we all got used to in order to add insult to injury and see if you can farm some more tears by explaining how the people affected by that change are just too stupid to see that taking the small signature away, bombers decloaking each other and nerfed bombs are actually an improvement of bombers. No, I don't think I feel like letting myself get trolled on top of losing the only compelling aspect of eve that kept me playing. |
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[quote=Heinrich Rotwang]
I'm willing to bet you have not tested the revamped bomber. More tank and more fitting room a nice to have as is the larger cargo, sig being bumped up isnt the end of the world and you just have to laugh when people say they cant keep up with frigate gangs anymore.
Sigres _is_ the end of bombers because it was the one atttribute that made them work in asymmetric encounters for smaller groups outside the big null blocks. A HP increase is not making them survive against anything. You get locked - you're dead. HP increase or not. You gonna get zerged as per usual with every other ship as a non-member of the blue donat. Or what do you think you gonna tank with that HP? And the decloak change ... "Uh once upon a time we worked around that one" - by that time, bombers were **** and they will now go back to being **** in order to fix a problem thats not even directly related. Oh yeah, you can easily set up different align points, pings and warpouts for each bomber in a NPSI fleet of randoms and newbies. Thats totally going to work from now on. You better keep a batch of BLOPS ready because I can see a mild increase in losses while bridging. Hit and runs on jump bridges? Good luck with the POS guns with that sigradius. No, it's not going to work. It's over. Careless wiped like the language channels (which was another thing that made me come back). Victim to CCPs habit of stomping over the smaller flowers that grow in the niche. |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.29 10:41:33 -
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dephekt wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:dephekt wrote:Quote:We can't weather such a sharp subscriber loss right now and we can't afford to dedicate time to actually fix things the way we should, so here are some token changes instead. FTFY If this is the message that you're getting from Phoebe, then I'm afraid I can't do anything to help you.  I like the jump drive changes and the fact sov is being reworked, but that's not here or there regarding the bomber and ISBoxer issue you guys are dodging and giving yourself breathing room on with these changes. If you don't see the problem with 1 user controlling 30 accounts simultaneously in PvP, then I'm afraid I can't do anything to help you.
Everyone can see that there is a problem with ISboxed bomber fleets and shield doctrines over at your null sov world. While you might be willing to sacrifice something you don't really care about because it happens to be outside your world, there are actually players that do care about bombers. Players that don't use lameass ISboxing software. Players that put a lot of time and effort in getting a successful bombrun organized.
You might not know or care but there is eve gameplay outside your null sov world. And what has happened here is that a lot of those people voiced their objection against sacrificing their gameplay in order to improve yours. And it appears that CCP actually seems to have an understanding and said: back to the drawing board. Because thats what you do if you realize your solution wasn't good enough. It doesn't mean the problem is gone or is never going to be solved.
I'm sorry throwing the gameplay of thousands of players down the drain in order to solve your problem a little faster didn't happen.
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Posted - 2014.10.29 10:50:33 -
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Shinah Myst wrote:Hey Fozzie, how about making bombers bubble immune? It's too hard to wipe BS fleets this days.
.oO(and thats the people calling us crybabies) |
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:18:35 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:dephekt wrote:Quote:We can't weather such a sharp subscriber loss right now and we can't afford to dedicate time to actually fix things the way we should, so here are some token changes instead. FTFY If this is the message that you're getting from Phoebe, then I'm afraid I can't do anything to help you. The message we are getting is that you are terrified of those ISBoxer bombers being unsubbed...
Because such an army of alts is very likely to be funded by real money and not paid for in isk. |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.29 15:33:02 -
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punch monke wrote:
Why would they not decloak eachother? Been in fleets where literally 100bombers decloak and bomb in intervals. They are op and you got rid of the one change to address it. I meean you get in a fleet cloak, the squad commander warps them around, all they do is hit decloak, bomb, and warp off. Regroup and do it again. Doesn't take much effort, can do it afk. If they are sitting on top of eachother then there is no reason they should decloak eachother.
The reason why there are there are no fleet fights in anything bigger than a crusiers
Talking effort, I was wondering how the mysterical out of the sudden isboxer sb squad that seems to camp all of null 24/7 to the extent of BS fleets unable to undock, can get a successful run on you that easily. You aren't by any chance sitting unaligned in the place the fleetwarp dropped you while watching netflix? Because if not, Im wondering, how they bomb a constantly on the move, scattered fleet. How do they even get the 30km away align point on a fleet thats paying attention? It's not like the bombers are invisible in local, aren't they?
Also - I think I remember some of the people in this thread from when isboxed catalysts mass suicided into hisec miners and freighters and the message there was something along the lines of HTFU and adapt. Double standards much? |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.29 16:52:17 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Heinrich Rotwang wrote:
Because such an army of alts is very likely to be funded by real money and not paid for in isk.
do you idiots think ccp accepts isk for subscriptions? you bought a gift card off someone else for isk, ccp got actual dollars (and more than if you'd subscribed), you didn't give ccp worthless space money
Actually I'm exclusively funding my gameplay by selling a lot plexes in Jita. Plexes I bought with Gé¼. There seem to be people out there that have a need to buy these PLEX with isk. Wonder how much money CCP is making of them. |
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Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.30 10:23:58 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:lol, this guy.
Mate, when you are in several hundred player fight, defending something critical, you can;t just run away the second a bomber fleet turns up. What that means is there's whole categories of fits which at one time were viable and now are completely useless because a single player with isboxer can wipe them out. If you can't see why that's a critical gameplay flaw, you need serious help. Something needs to change to make isboxer less viable in fleet PvP.
It sounds like you have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't you actually learn how to play EVE from more than a single viewpoint, then come back. citation required that most bomber fleets are isboxers. And not just fleets of real pilots.
Someone is blapping PL ships -> must be cheating. Nerf eeet! |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.10.31 11:45:32 -
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Right now, bombs apply full damage up to the edge of the AOE sphere. The way AOE works in $OTHER_GAME is that damage degrades from full damage at the center to 0 at the maximum range.
PS: To the one isboxing guy that seems to keep all of those null elite pro money bags from undocking these days: I don't know who you are and what you are up to (and honestly, I don't even care) but you can be damn sure I put you in my prayers. Give 'em hell! Isboxing was considered qualitiy content as long as it hit the small and the weak. Now that it hits the more equal than equal, it suddenly became a game breaking problem. |
Heinrich Rotwang
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Posted - 2014.11.12 12:51:57 -
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Crynsos Cealion wrote:In case this hasn't been posted here yet, a good idea from reddit to hurt ISBoxer bombers the same way as originally intended:
How about having a pop up window come up after launching a bomb, asking you to enter a randomized 4 number code within 10 seconds so that the bomb gets armed, otherwise it would not explode?
That would be easy for any normal human player to do (and distracted them a little from escaping while we're at it), but quite hard for ISBoxers without some scripts, which would be classified as botting anyways.
May I suggest that everyone that comes up with wild ideas like that would please attach a killmail of his own successful solo bomb run on a BS or BC that wasn't AFK? |
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